Recently, I interviewed Heather Gray, and we discuss the need for a holistic approach to health, how gut health and emotional trauma influence Lyme disease, the challenges of getting a proper diagnosis, the significance of foundational health practices, the potential benefits of bioenergetics and frequency therapy, and more. If you would prefer to listen to the interview you can access it by Clicking Here.
Dr. Eric Osansky:
I am very excited to chat with Heather Gray. We are going to be talking about Lyme disease, mold toxicity, frequency therapy, tying that all into thyroid health. Let me dive into Heather’s impressive bio here:
Meet Heather Gray, a functional diagnostic nutritionist and bioenergetic practitioner specializing in supporting clients with chronic and complex illnesses such as Lyme disease, mold toxicity, and autoimmune diseases. With over 32 years of personal experience, she understands the struggles of living with these conditions and is dedicated to helping others find relief.
Heather’s personalized experience as a practitioner, podcast host, and author has helped countless clients reduce inflammation in the body and brain, improve gut health, and achieve optimal wellness. She helps her clients get to the root cause of their symptoms and take control of their health journey. Heather’s approach is not only effective but also empowering. Don’t let chronic illness control your life. You can achieve the health and vitality you deserve.
Thanks for joining us, Heather.
Heather Gray:
Woohoo!
Dr. Eric:
That was a nice ending to that bio. If you have been in that situation-
Heather:
Written by AI.
Dr. Eric:
You do have quite the healing journey. You dealt with Lyme and other coinfections. We were chatting before this. You mentioned bartonella, babesia, and toxic mold, and multiple autoimmune conditions, like Hashimoto’s and Celiac. You can probably spend an hour going over your healing journey. We will incorporate it into this talk here.
Heather:
I have it down to five minutes.
Dr. Eric:
Five minutes?
Heather:
Yep.
Dr. Eric:
All right. Let’s give it your five-minute healing journey.
Heather:
I will keep an eye on the clock. I was basically born full of shit. How many people can relate to being constipated as a kid? That’s what started my journey of throwing Band-Aids at symptoms. The doctors were wanting to get me on laxatives and stool softeners, nasty thick oils down my throat.
Hindsight’s 20-20. That was around the same year my uncle committed suicide and my grandmother died of breast cancer. There was a lot of childhood trauma going on in my life. I think that’s what kicked off my Celiac gene at the time. I was also eating a typical standard American SAD diet. We have the perfect storm starting to brew.
By the time I did get bit by a tick when I was 13, there was a lot of early childhood trauma. I had a leaky gut, so there’s a leaky brain. Already had some autoimmune in process. I was living in mold. People talk about having a detox bucket; I had a detox thimble. It didn’t take much for me to get sick and remain sick.
It took until I was 34 years old before I finally got diagnosed with Lyme. I was diagnosed with everything under the sun. I had two suicide attempts, multiple autoimmune diseases by this time. I was written off as my labs looked normal, everything’s fine, it’s all in my head. I was called attention-seeking. Put all kinds of prescription drugs and dismissed.
The definition of gaslit. If you were to look in the dictionary, it’s a Lyme patient, it has to be. The CDC just recognized my disease as a real disease last year. Wrap your brain around that one. Something that’s plagued the majority of my life was just recognized by the CDC last year. That’s what’s the pain to purpose story is. That’s what got me on my path of healing.
If I would have stayed in the Western med model, I’m not sure I’d still be standing here. They were throwing antibiotics at a body, throwing napalm at a body that hadn’t worked for over 30 years. I talked about not being able to poop when I was younger. I still wasn’t able to poop as an adult.
You can’t go to war with a person’s body that hasn’t worked right for decades and still expect it to come out okay. That’s one of my biggest pet peeves in the Lyme world, especially: There are so many people focused on treatment, and they’re not focused on the whole person. You might get better that way, but you won’t stay better. You’ll relapse, and that’s another story.
Less than five minutes!
Dr. Eric:
Very impressive. Wasn’t expecting to talk about chronic constipation. I dealt with it, too. I had two bowel movements per week in my teenage years and 20s. Diet played a role in that; being on antibiotics many times as a child and teenager I’m sure also played a role.
How long did it take to get- I don’t know where you are today, if you are having regular bowel movements daily or if it’s just greatly improved. How long did it take you to get to the point where your bowel movements were dramatically improved compared to yesterday?
Heather:
My gut was the last thing to get dialed in. Sometimes, the amount of antibiotic use, the Celiac on top of it, just the amount of abuse that my gut has taken over the decades, I still struggle with it. I do coffee enemas once a week and have for the past seven years. On Friday morning, just like clockwork. I start off Thursday night with a castor oil pack. I do a coffee enema, going into skin brushing, into my sauna. It’s my 24 hours of detox.
I still take magnesium at night. There are things I have to take to help move things along. It doesn’t really work by itself. It’s nice to be able to take a few of these little supplements and have things work properly.
I have to take a little bit more when I travel. It never fails. The minute I get on the plane, everything stops. It’s ridiculous. I usually have to double down when I travel. I’ve learned these hacks now, and I’ve learned how to be in tune with my body.
That’s one thing I teach my clients who I work with. Don’t ever let yourself go a day without going. If you don’t, here are some tools to move things along and dig a little deeper. Especially people with chronic Lyme and these autoimmune diseases, the gut takes a beating.
Dr. Eric:
Agreed. You went undiagnosed for a long time before you found out you had Lyme. What were some of the symptoms you experienced when you dealt with Lyme? Did you have some of the classic symptoms? When I dealt with Lyme, no bull’s eye rash, no evidence of a tick bite in my case either. You didn’t have the classic signs and symptoms either.
Heather:
I was 13 and remember picking a tick out of my stomach. My mom did it the wrong way; she did it with a lighter. We are now finding out that’s the wrong way to take out a tick because it will regurgitate what’s in its system because you have scared it. Then your chances of getting Lyme go up.
I did not develop a bull’s eye rash. Only about 30% of people with Lyme develop that rash. My symptoms didn’t show up until about two years later. They showed up with my first stint in a psych ward for a suicide attempt.
That’s part of the reason why I love educating. I love the fact that more and more is coming out about the gut-brain connection and how it’s not just a lack of neurotransmitters that cause these mental illnesses. It’s heavy metals, mold, Lyme, other viruses that cause brain inflammation.
I wanted to start a movement. Instead of calling people crazy, saying, “Your brain inflammation is showing.” The minute you get that stigma slapped on you of being crazy, it’s harder to wash off. The louder you scream, “I’m not crazy!” the more they say, “That’s what a crazy person would say.”
I got bit when I was 13. 15 is when my first suicide attempt happened. How much different would my life have been if they had dug deeper instead of throwing Band-Aids at symptoms and putting me on an antidepressant and sending me back home? It showed up with a lot of neurological stuff. The anxiety and depression. I was diagnosed bipolar. A lot of chronic, widespread pain.
In the whole disease catalogue, there are only six diseases that have migraine and pain as a symptom. You’re not a hypochondriac; it’s not in your head. If you really have pain in your right shoulder one day and your left elbow the next, flag on the play, could be Lyme. My right knee would swell up to twice its size for no reason.
I would have Lyme rage, which is really common with bartonella. The rage part of it is common but also common just to melt down. No logic, ugly crying, melting down for no reason. It was almost like an out of body experience. I could see myself above myself. “Heather, knock it off. Heather, what are you doing?” There was no control over the body; it was so bizarre.
I was in anger management classes at 15 as well. People tried to give us the tools, and people were like, “Count to 10.” I try to explain to them, “There’s no buffer. Something happens, and I react. There’s nothing in the middle there.” Later, I learned a lot of it had to do with the brain inflammation and the Lyme rage.
Gastrointestinal issues. Hormonal issues. I was living with about a level pain of 5-6 every day for years and years. When you get brought up on TV and see all these commercials, you start to think that kind of stuff is normal, so I never put two and two together that it wasn’t normal not to live with these everyday pains.
It wasn’t normal to live with everyday bloating and gas. I used to carry Gas-X with me. I had some in my purse, I had some in my locker at school, and I had some in my car. Being Celiac and eating a standard American diet, my gut was a mess. I never put two and two together. These symptoms are common, but that doesn’t mean they’re normal.
Dr. Eric:
That is true. You dealt with those symptoms for around 20 years. You said you were diagnosed at 34?
Heather:
34, yeah. 27 years, I went undiagnosed.
Dr. Eric:
Wow. What approach did you take when you were diagnosed? Did you initially take more of a conventional approach? Did you jump into functional medicine?
Heather:
No, that’s all I knew. I went to a DEO, hoping he was going to be better. Not quite all Dr. Med. But he threw a bunch of antimalarial drugs at me, which holy shit, the side effects of those things are just horrific. Antibiotics, and he also added herbals on top of it. He totally went to war with the critters of my body. Not once did he ask me, “How are you sleeping at night? Are you pooping daily? What’s your diet like? What’s your stress level like?” None of those questions were asked.
After two months of dealing with that, I walked into my first Lyme support group, and it was just toxic. Those poor people were wearing that disease like a cloak of honor. They were really identifying with their disease. Intuitively, I could tell I am not going to find healing here. I knew there needed to be another way.
Then I heard the founder of FDN, Reed Davis, speaking on a podcast. It was Sean Croxton, Underground Wellness. I was a hairstylist at the time. I didn’t have a medical background. Reed talked about how to heal the gut, making sure your hormones are balanced and making sure your detox pathways are open. Intuitively, this makes sense.
At the time, the program was $1,500. It’s up to $8,000 now, which is still totally worth it. I remember begging my ex-husband.
To go through the program, you have to do a couple labs on yourself. You become your first guinea pig. It showed my liver was extremely congested, and I had Blastocystis hominis, which is a pretty common parasite for people who have pets. An overgrowth of candida. All these things. It was so much more than Lyme. All that doctor was focused on was the Lyme.
FDN is all about dialing in the lifestyle stuff, making sure that you’re eating properly and sleeping properly. Within 3.5 months, my life had completely changed. I had lost 40 pounds. I was sleeping at night. My hormones were balanced. I felt amazing.
Dr. Eric:
Awesome. When you work with clients, everybody’s different. No two clients have the same exact findings. Especially with co-infections, most people come in with not just Lyme, but so many other things, like bartonella, babesia, parasites, yeast overgrowth, etc.
Heather:
Absolutely. I go back and forth because a lot of the marketing gurus I worked with have these packages, which usually include the same functional labs and supplements and this kind of timeline. It sounds great and nice and all, but I found that folks with Lyme are really sophisticated clients. They have had to become their own health advocate for so long. They have already tried a lot of different things, so they already come with a lot of great pieces to their puzzle. A lot of times, the puzzle pieces might be out of order, or they are missing a quarter piece here that helps tie the whole thing together.
I had to kick that to the curb and go with a more individualized approach to meet each person where they’re at. Sometimes, a person comes in and just needs some tweaking of their diet and a lot of tweaking with their mindset and nervous system.
Or I have a client I am working with right now where we are starting over from scratch with how to eat, how much to drink, making sure you’re pooping daily. He’s doing amazing. I’m so proud of him. He’s one of the few where I tell him what to do, and he says, “Yes, ma’am.” No arguments, no whining, no victimizing, no nothing. He has completely turned his life around in three months, it’s amazing.
Dr. Eric:
Very cool. You mentioned you grew up on the standard American diet, as did I. In that case, changing one’s diet can sometimes have a dramatic impact. I’m sure you also experienced people who have already cleaned up their diet. They have already changed their diet and lifestyle. You need to dig deep or go beyond that. Maybe it’s a toxic mold problem, which you also dealt with, and you need to do something to remove the mold.
Speaking of which, how common do you see that connection? Someone has Lyme who also has a mold toxicity issue.
Heather:
So common that I have to rule it out before we even start working on Lyme. There are usually three things I have people rule out before we can start walking down that path.
One of them is cavitations. If you get your wisdom teeth or had a root canal done, Western dentistry is not different than a lot of Western med. There are a couple funky practices. They leave something behind and close it out.
A root canal is keeping something dead around, taxidermy in your mouth, which is so bizarre. It causes an infection in your jaw, which is so close to your brain. My troops were scattered for years. They were trying to protect my brain from this low-level infection. No wonder it couldn’t keep Lyme in check. So having to check cavitations.
They have to rule out mold. That was one of the things that I ran into. I said about three months later, my whole life completely changed. Then I hit a plateau. That plateau was because I was living in mold and didn’t realize it, so we had to take a couple steps backwards. I had to detox from mold. I divorced my husband at the time and moved out of the house, so that started to get better.
I talked about the detox genes earlier. I have a detox thimble. Most people have stuff that their body will tag as mold for your immune system to take out. I’m missing that. Mold just keeps circulating. People could literally be out of a moldy house for years and still be experiencing symptoms of mold toxicity because it’s recirculating in their body. At some point, it starts to populate in their body. Now they’re the source of the issue.
The third will be sleep apnea. No amount of amazing supplements or lifestyle changes are going to do any bit of good if you’re not getting enough oxygen at night when you sleep. That’s a new one for me. These little tracker devices- I don’t snore. I never in a million years thought I would have had sleep apnea. This thing was showing me that my oxygen was dropping to 83% at night. Legit brain damage level. That’s the next journey I am healing back right now.
I just met with an ENT person yesterday after trying a couple alternative therapies. I have a wickedly deviated septum, and something else is happening. I don’t have the passageway to get enough breath in. Being in Colorado at a higher elevation kicks my butt.
Dr. Eric:
Yeah. Based on what you just said, you want to rule those three things out. Do you refer people to a biological dentist and also have them test their house for mold and refer them to an ENT specialist?
Heather:
It usually starts off with a couple intake forms that I have that are ridiculously in-depth. I have found a lot of clinical correlation. If on their medical history form, they say they’ve had a root canal in the past or mercury in their mouth, your next visit is to a biological dentist. If they have a lot of symptoms that looks like mold and not Lyme, let’s talk about mold. Same thing with sleep apnea.
I got lucky. In my last client who came to me, he’d already had a CPAP, so he knew he had sleep apnea. I can often rule things out with the intake forms and their medical history and symptoms. Oftentimes, I need them to go somewhere else to get that taken care of. We can still work on the things we’re working on if it will help with the other stuff they are dealing with. But they won’t get completely better if that stuff isn’t addressed.
Dr. Eric:
With sleep apnea, they can see what their oxygen saturation is during the night while they’re sleeping. If they measure it and see it’s less than optimal, they can go see an ENT.
Autoimmunity. How common is it for people with Lyme, toxic mold, also to have autoimmune conditions? Especially thyroid since the audience is thyroid. Hashimoto’s is the most common autoimmune condition. Do you see a lot of people specifically with Hashimoto’s?
Heather:
Absolutely. It’s so sad that people don’t realize that the majority of autoimmune out there is lifestyle. It sucks. A lot of their doctors are telling them, “You have to be on this biologic or this pill for the rest of your life, and there’s nothing you can do about it.” I reversed 2/3 of my autoimmune conditions. I no longer have Hashimoto’s or endometriosis.
Celiac is a different one. My gut has just been through the ringer. Wheat is so toxic and inflammatory anyway that even if I were to reverse the Celiac, I’m not sure I’d ever go back to eating that kind of food because I know all the damage and havoc it causes between being heavy with mold, heavy with pesticides, genetically engineered to have more gluten, so our bodies don’t recognize it as food anymore. There are so many things about Western wheat that I just leave alone.
Dr. Eric:
It’s not as challenging these days to be gluten-free. We should be eating mostly whole, healthy foods, which are naturally gluten-free. If you want to indulge a little bit, you could have a gluten-free pizza or a cauliflower-crust pizza. Not that these are healthy options, but if you absolutely wanted to be gluten-free, compared to 10 years ago, when pizza tasted like cardboard, there is even paleo cookie options.
You can make your own, too, which is the best option. Make your own paleo or AIP-friendly cookies and pastries. Now, if you walk into a Whole Foods, you have to be careful when it comes to reading ingredients. Just because it’s gluten-free, who knows what else is in there? The point is, it’s not as challenging as it was 10-15 years ago to avoid gluten.
Heather:
I like what you said. With processed foods, I find so many people just skip one crappy, processed, Western, standard American diet for a crappy, processed, gluten-free diet. Then they wonder why they’re not feeling any better. Sticking as much to whole, real food as possible.
Not eating out as much, especially with all the seed oils restaurants are cooking with, which cause a lot of brain inflammation and inflammation throughout the body. We are making bad copies of fat-soluble things with a subpar product. Seed oils are horrible. I try not to eat out at all anymore. When I do, every single time, I pay for it.
There is only one restaurant in the three towns around me that have gluten-free, paleo, no seed oils, non-GMO, organic. It’s amazing. But it’s just sad. That’s one in a 60-mile radius.
Dr. Eric:
You just need to open up your own restaurant.
Heather:
I’ve thought about it. I’m a badass cook. I like to cook. I am a front of the house person. I’m an extrovert on steroids. To put me in the back of the house, cooking, no.
Dr. Eric:
Let’s talk about different treatment options for Lyme. You’re big into addressing the foundations, which is important. Honestly, I was guilty: when I found out I had chronic Lyme, I jumped into ozone therapy, IV ozone, even though I knew that wasn’t necessarily a cure. I was terrified of being debilitated when it came to dealing with Lyme and bartonella. It helped.
Even before that, I heard of people getting IV ozone, and a few months later, the Lyme symptoms came back. With antibiotics, they destroy the gut microbiome. There are people who are on long-term antibiotics for that. There are other treatment options like hypobaric oxygen, herbs, homeopathy. If you don’t address the foundations—heal the gut, reduce your toxic load, do things to manage stress and improve adrenal health—these other therapies aren’t going to be nearly as effective.
I’ll let you take over as far as your approaches and your philosophy to treat Lyme.
Heather:
That was my experience. I’d get better for 3-6 months, a year, and then relapse. Then I’d clean everything up again. I would get better for 3-6 months and relapse. That happened about three times.
It was right around 2020 that I was relapsing. I was gaining weight, getting reactive again, in a lot of pain. My brain was foggy. I was living in a moldy area. I also never dealt with the early childhood trauma. That type of trauma, the heavy metals, the mold toxicity, chronic disease, all these things act like trauma in the nervous system. They get stuck in the body.
I was always such a great functional practitioner, doing my supplements and diet, being in bed on time, doing my coffee enemas. You want me to get in touch with my feelings? What are those? Who has time for that? I thought it was woo-woo, all the things.
It’s sad to me, too, because in that industry, people talk about Lyme flares or autoimmune flares like they’re normal. They don’t have to be normal. There’s still an area they haven’t addressed, a part that’s not healed. The Body Keeps Score, that book was an intro for me into that world. Two weeks later, I was doing an ayahuasca journey. I have done four or five types of psychedelics. I have done neurofeedback, somatic experience work, breathwork, tapping in the name of healing that trauma from my nervous system. I wasn’t reactive. I could then heal.
When we are stuck in fight or flight, that tiger is always chasing us, we are not in rest and digest, we can’t heal. A lot of gut issues is my nervous system stuff. I just got back from Dr. Drobot in Scottsdale, AZ, and he has some amazing machines to help calm the nervous system. There was one in particular that he did on me. “You see this number? It should be around 45.” Mine was 550. It pissed me off at first because I do so much work around this.
Sometimes, it’s just so far gone that you need a bigger system reset in order to calm everything down. He has given me a breath app to do homework at home. There are a couple new supplements I’m taking to help calm the nervous system. I’m a type A, tightly wound person to begin with. It takes me a lot to get me to calm down. I realize how important it is.
Speaking on those foundations, I put together an online course going over those very things. It’s amazing when we get back to the basics how well our body then takes over and knows what to do. It’s beautifully designed for healing once we remove the blocks out of its way. Making sure that you’re getting to bed on time, getting enough sleep. Making sure that you’re pooping every day, eating the right kind of diet, getting the right kind of exercise.
After I went through all the foundational stuff and really cleaned up my lifestyle and environment and detoxed my body, I didn’t have to treat the Lyme anymore. About once every six months to a year, I go to my doctor, who gives me IV silver. I have an ozone machine. I’ll do some vaginal. I’ll do them in my ears. Once a year, I do a round of herbs. My bioenergetic stuff, just to keep things at a dull roar.
For the most part, I’ve never had to go back in and retreat. After I cleaned up, my body went, “Okay, I know what to do.” If I’m keeping things clean and healthy, my immune system works like it’s supposed to. I don’t drink. I don’t eat out. There are a couple sacrifices I make on a daily basis. I’m operating at a level that most even healthy people I know don’t operate on. I’m very blessed that having all these things I’ve had my whole life, that I’m able to have the energy, the brain power, the stamina to do what I do in life.
Dr. Eric:
That’s wonderful. I agree with you about incorporating the foundations with any health condition, not just Lyme. If someone has an autoimmune condition, without having Lyme or toxic mold, you still want to incorporate the foundations. With pretty much any chronic condition. I can’t agree with you more than that.
Bioenergetics, I wanted to talk to you about those. Frequency therapy. I have told you that I have been intrigued but also on the skeptical side, even though I have the NIKKI. I got something called the Wave 1 along with the NIKKI. I have been thinking about Rife and all these other things. I have heard some great success stories. I have heard other people with Lyme and coinfections where it doesn’t help them.
I’m at the point where if you didn’t tell me I had Lyme and bartonella years ago, I would not know. I feel pretty good. It’s hard. To me, I just got it because even though I feel pretty good with that, I got hit really hard with COVID a couple of years ago. That made me think twice. I’m not one who gets the flu or anything like that. That made me think twice about that.
Talk a little bit more about how long you have been using frequency therapies. From listening to you on other podcasts, you have experiences with different ones than the ones you’re using now.
Heather:
Almost from the get-go. I don’t remember where I heard about Rife first. It’s so funny to me because I was just a silly hairstylist who didn’t have a background in medicine or physics. Anything along those lines. For some reason, when someone explained to me Rife, I was like, “Oh my god, yes. Where do I find this?” I found an acupuncturist in my town who actually had a Rife machine. I was feeling a lot better really quickly. It was amazing.
From there, I branched out into all different kinds. The premise behind it is everything is frequency. We’re all energy. We can measure the heart’s magnetic field with an EKG. We can measure the brain with an EEG. If these things in our body aren’t talking to each other in concert, if they’re not in coherence, then we have disease.
A lot of times, the bioenergetic field, if that’s out in a person, the supplements that they’re taking or a lot of these other therapies they’re doing, aren’t going to have its true potential because they are out on a bioenergetic level. We are energetic beings first and foremost.
It’s sad because there is a lot of great machines out there that do really awesome with diagnostics, which you’re not supposed to say. I didn’t find a whole lot that helped move the needle when it came to actual “treatment.”
I do the NIKKI. That one I’ve found to be really helpful. I dismissed it for six months because there is no way that works for that inexpensive. At the time, I was using the Nest machine, which was a $20,000 investment. Here comes the NIKKI, and it was at the time $1,500. I was like, there’s no way that works at that price.
I got one, and it does. There is no diagnostic feature to it. it’s just a menu that you pick out of what you want to do. It’s where becoming a muscle tester comes in handy. I’ll muscle test the frequencies during the day. Should I be running inflammation or detox or gut health today? I run on a daily basis almost to keep everything at a dull roar.
AO, I really liked as well. I’m thinking about getting back into AO. They have an awesome mental, emotional program that helps with that nervous system stuff that we talked about. They also have a cool, new watch that puts red light into your wrist and a methylene blue supplement. I have been loving playing around with methylene blue lately.
It’s funny, when it comes to the frequency stuff. It was so controversial, and there was no standard of care. We had to think outside the box. Most of us have done some crazy crap in the name of healing. I have taken something called MMS, which is chlorine dioxide. I do coffee enemas. Silver in my veins. Bioenergetic stuff.
Like I said, there was no real standard of care. There were no real answers. I knew that the Western medicine route was going to kill me if I kept doing it. The more controversial ozone rectal insufflation of ozone, these things work. The future of medicine is absolutely bioenergetic. I don’t think they’re quite there yet, but it’s getting close.
Dr. Eric:
How long have you been taking methylene blue? You said a few months now?
Heather:
Four or five months now.
Dr. Eric:
Do you think it’s helping?
Heather:
Huge. I remember the first day I tried it. You’re supposed to supercharge it with red light or get out into regular light because it’s a big word that I can’t pronounce right now. I’ll take it and wait 10 minutes and put my red light patch on my belly for about five minutes. All systems on. I could feel the energy coming back into my body, into my brain. It was amazing. My husband really loves it, too.
Recently, I was hanging out with this Dr. Jon, his last name starts with an L. He puts it in his eyes. He has a bottle of blue eyes. I have been trying that. I am getting to an age now where I am presbyopic, where I am starting to need readers. My distance isn’t so great. I am not going down without a fight. I don’t want to wear glasses. I have been doing the methylene blue and the red light in the eyes to help. it’s actually helped out quite a bit.
It’s a phenomenal antibiotic, antifungal, antimicrobial. It’s a great antioxidant. It’s protection against COVID and viruses. There is a lot of really awesome uses of methylene blue. I am not a big fan of the World Health Organization. They even have it on their list of the top 15 supplements that everybody should be taking.
Dr. Eric:
Interesting. You take it multiple times a day? Once a day?
Heather:
I just take it once a day. If I have someone who has some chronic stuff we are working with, it might be multiple times a day. I take it in the morning. Usually only five days a week. Cycle on, cycle off.
Dr. Eric:
Do you think it would be just as effective if someone is listening to this, and they don’t have a red light unit, just to take the methylene blue? Is it worth taking without the red light?
Heather:
Absolutely. But you will get way more out of it if you can charge it. Even take it and stand outside in the sun. Take it during a time when there is sun outside. Just standing outside in the sun for five minutes. Or if you have an infrared sauna, take it and get in the sauna.
Be careful with methylene blue. It needs to be pharmaceutical grade. Because it’s so new out there, there are a lot of people doing things wrong. It can be contaminated with heavy metals. Be careful that you are sourcing it from a good source that you know is clean and helpful. That’s the one caveat with it.
It’s sad because what it can do for depression and anxiety is amazing. It counteracts with SSRIs. Disclaimer there.
Dr. Eric:
Good to know.
Heather:
I took it. I was in a women’s circle where they were microdosing an hour later. I didn’t think anything of it. That microdose isn’t supposed to touch you, just to open things up. Because I had taken the methylene blue an hour beforehand, and it inhibits detoxing of this stuff, I actually had full-on tripped. While everybody else was sober in the group, I was full-on tripping.
The teacher learned a lesson the hard way that day as well as I did. You better ask people if they have taken methylene blue before you do psychedelics because you can supercharge your experience. Not for the best. I’m always learning things the hard way.
Dr. Eric:
You also mentioned MMS. Do you still do that?
Heather:
I don’t have a need to. I still have bottles in my cupboard, but they are probably old and expired now. I need to throw them away probably. In the beginning, I felt like it really helped, but not anymore.
Dr. Eric:
You do the methylene blue just to keep up with the foundations. The frequency, wearing the NIKKI. Those are some of the main things you currently do.
Heather:
Silver and ozone. Herbs.
Dr. Eric:
You said the IV is silver. You also take it orally on a regular basis?
Heather:
Up my nose. If I feel like something is coming on, I will take it orally. I’m a big fan of silver.
Dr. Eric:
Very cool. I was taking silver regularly. It’s funny. Since I got diagnosed with chronic Lyme in 2018, I started taking silver. I did ozone as I mentioned. I took the silver, and I got upset because I got hit hard with COVID in January 2022. You know what? This silver is expensive. It didn’t prevent me from getting hit hard with COVID. Since then, I stopped taking it.
Being a healthcare practitioner, getting exposed to so many supplements. I could take a break from one or two things. Maybe a coincidence, I haven’t gotten sick since then. There were other things, too. If anything, it taught me that I felt like I was doing a good job of maintaining my health.
There were things I could have done better. It’s always a work in progress. Trying to reduce exposure to electronic pollution, the blue light, all these things, getting enough protein, all these little things that sometimes we don’t think about. Let alone trying not to get too stressed out. Even that single thing alone will make you more susceptible to viruses.
The last question I have for you is whether or not in your opinion, or maybe you have factual evidence about Lyme, whether it can be completely eradicated. Some people do think it can be completely eradicated, but I haven’t come across any evidence that shows that once you have it, you could get it out of the body. It is intracellular from what I can understand.
Heather:
If you catch it within the first year, I think there are pretty good odds of getting rid of it. Me, 27 years? Absolutely not. It is a part of me. There are so many practitioners who do not walk their walk. I have to. Literally. I take two steps off my Lyme, and I’m getting sick. It’s ridiculous.
I’m grateful that I get to operate at this level. I just have to be careful. I was just telling you before we got on here that I recently traveled to eight cities in 10 days. I’m paying for it a little bit right now. There were a few slip-ups. I don’t normally drink. I had a drink. It was crazy how bad one drink messes up my sleep. It does mess up people’s sleep. These trackers. I am seeing all these red lines. At one point, the tracker is telling my phone to tell me to calm down. I was asleep. I normally get a 90 sleep score. It jacked it down to a 70. It was horrible.
I have to walk my walk and keep my lifestyle clean, and I can operate at a really awesome level.
Dr. Eric:
Wonderful. Keep up the good work. Keep on helping others with Lyme, mold, and coinfections.
Before we wrap up, for someone who has been suffering, whether it’s for a few months or many years like you, it’s really a good idea to work with an expert, someone like you who works with Lyme and mold on a regular basis. Before they do that, what are some words of advice you could give for someone who is suffering before they start working with a functional medicine practitioner?
Heather:
Not to give up. I get their frustration. Honestly, I was there. “What could you teach me? I have already seen 20 practitioners. No one has answers.” You have had 20 different things that don’t work. That’s awesome. Next: never give up. Keep digging. Keep looking. Keep being an advocate for yourself. You never know if that next person could have the answers you need. Never give up.
Dr. Eric:
That’s awesome. For those who might be interested in working with you, where can people find out more about you?
Heather:
I am @TheLymeBoss everywhere. I have two entry points. I have a freebie on my website, so if you go to TheLymeBoss.com, get a free cooking series. Real cooking for real life. I know how stressed out and how little time people have. You still need to get real food in your diet, so I teach you how to make delicious meals in 20 minutes or less. That’s free.
I have my foundations course, which I am giving your crowd a special $299 off with the code DOCTORE. Learn how to dial in your sleep. Learn how to dial in your diet. Learn these exercises to keep your nervous system calm. Learn how to detox properly. Learn how to set down the foundations at an inexpensive price. It took me years and years and tens of thousands of dollars to learn everything I put into this really awesome course.
Dr. Eric:
Thanks for the discount code. This was a great conversation. You covered a lot of different things. Some things I knew you were going to cover. Definitely want to talk about the frequency therapy. Didn’t expect you to talk about the methylene blue, which I was excited about. Talking about cavitations, oral health. This was an amazing discussion, and I appreciate you sharing with everyone.
Heather:
Thanks for having me.
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